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Post by VanillaOrchids on Jul 18, 2008 12:42:33 GMT -5
Seeing as there is a bit of discussion about CnC in this thread, I thought it might be nice to have a thread specifically for it. A lot of people rely heavily (or so it seems) on getting comments and critiques with this idea that if they don't get them how are they ever supposed to improve. Then also, there are those that feel that you should be out right brutally honest to them ... tell them that it sucks, they can take it. However, there are those that would prefer to be told what is wrong in a nicer manner and what they can do to improve. I have seen a number of newbies to graphics ask for opinions and see someone be brutally honest ... but more than just honesty, rudeness ... and them in turn be completely crushed to the point where they are ready to give up on the idea of making graphics all together. I'm not the type of person who will ever claim to be great at graphics because I know that I still have a lot to learn. And I, as some of you might know, do not like posting graphics for rates. I have, on occasion done so though. I've seen enough of the rude, blunt, almost obnoxious comments from people to others ... I'm not interested in someone being like that with me. Besides, with anything, who really cares what someone else thinks ... as long as you like it that's really all that matters. But yes, that's not to say you can't learn a thing or two from someone if they give you comments/suggestions. So, when you ask for comments/critiques, what kind do you prefer? And why?
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Post by ⌠Sweet Nightmare⌡ on Jul 19, 2008 0:18:34 GMT -5
I do like for people to be honest with me. I like to know what I can improve on and things that could make my stuff better. Sure, I like most of the stuff I make, but when I make something I don't really like but know that it could be so much better, I like for people to tell me what could be improved in it. Plus, I always like to see what people think about my stuff. There's no point to graphics if no one sees them, so I might as well get them rated. But honest doesn't mean saying 'it sucks' or 'it's not workin' for me' and taking off without telling me what you're not liking. Just posting 'it sucks' and leaving is a flame, and I use flames to toast marshmallows. Thank you very much. ^-^ But yeah, I really like to see what other people think. I've only ever made one image that hardly anyone could find anything wrong with, and the person that could see something wrong with it, I expected to. ((It was my Genesis siggie I made; he said that the black under Genesis' arm was too dark compared to everything else, but I couldn't do anything about it because the black was part of the wing.))
Anyways, for me, honest is my prefered comments. Don't give me the sugar coated crap that it's just the most wonderful thing you ever saw and it's absolutely perfect the way it is and that I'm just a great graphic artist and blah blah blah, not helpful.
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Post by Candy [QuietGirl™] on Jul 19, 2008 1:16:12 GMT -5
When I ask for a rate, I usually want them to tell me what they like/don't like etc, other wise, I'm not going to learn. When I get rates saying I need to change something, I don't usually change it, but rather, I save it in my mind for later on, so I don't make the same mistake again.
Take this for example. I made a tag, but didn't make a border. Someone told me, I should add a border. I remember this tip, and make a new tag a few days later, and it has a border. See, I used their advice in my next piece.
The only kind of comments that I don't like, are when they say I should do something even after I said I don't know how.
Take this for example again. I make a tag, and they say I need depth even after I said in my first post that I don't know how to do it. So I question them, asking them how to do depth, and I get no answer. I'm not going to learn if they don't answer me.
Anyways, I prefer comments that are helpful rather than ones that bash me, simple as that.
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Post by VanillaOrchids on Jul 19, 2008 9:23:39 GMT -5
I agree that people should be honest. But, let's take what Sweet Nightmare said: "it's just the most wonderful thing you ever saw and it's absolutely perfect the way it is and that I'm just a great graphic artist and blah blah blah"
What if that was the person's honest opinion? While you may think that your image isn't worth that kind of praise, another person may feel that's exactly the praise you deserve. We kind of have to keep in mind whether the person rating our graphic is a graphic artist themselves or not and how much experience with graphics they have.
I've seen, from my moderating graphic request boards for some years now that you will find someone who really isn't that good with graphics being told (by the people that request graphics) that the graphic they made is amazing, brilliant, the best I could ever hope for , etc. because they don't know any better. So yeah, you kind of have to take into consideration who is giving the comments.
Also, another reason I do not like getting rates and such is because I've noticed that if the image you make contains something the rater doesn't like ... they tend to put down the image more so simply because there was something they didn't like in it. Whether it be the subject of the image, the colors of the image, etc. I remember once I entered some sort of graphic contest and the person doing the judging thought my image was creative, well blended, blah, blah, blah but they didn't like the colors used so they picked the other person's image (whom I was up against). The colors went perfectly well together. So because someone's favorite color is blue (for example) and my main color is green (and that person doesn't like green) I should be punished, so to speak. I don't think so. In my opinion, personal color preferences should be thrown out the window when it comes to making and critiquing graphics.
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Post by ⌠Sweet Nightmare⌡ on Jul 19, 2008 12:32:25 GMT -5
I actually had someone like that once, when I posted one of my very numerous Final Fantasy siggies, one containing a certain Zack Fair. He said((and I'm paraphrasing)); It's good and you did a good job but I hate the subject. The whole point of graphics is how aesthetically pleasing you can make a graphic, no matter what the subject. I really do hate biased people. When I rate something with something in it I really like, say...Sephiroth, I get my fangirlyness out first, saying how AWESOME the character is in a brief sentence, then I go on to rate the overall siggie.
And when I was talking about all the sugar coated toppings, I'm talking about when people who obviously know better tell me it's the greatest thing in the world and not to change a thing. That happens to me so often on deviantART it's not even funny. Some images I've been told that for I look back at now and am like 'Did people seriously say that?' See what I'm saying?
And maybe I'm just a bit critical of myself. ^^; So you can see where I'm coming from because I really don't think I'm wonderful yet, just good. As someone I once knew once said, there's ALWAYS room for improvement. A long time ago, I set a bar for myself, and I got there. Now I've set another one, and I want to get there. So I like people to tell me what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it. Even if it's someone unexperienced, they can at least tell me if anything just looks weird so I can try to fix it.
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